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Unit 1: Week 1 – W1: Assignment 3 Discussion

Discussion Question

“The Miracle of Melancholia” by Eric G. Wilson
What is the selection’s thesis? Locate the sentence(s) in which Wilson states his main idea. If he doesn’t state his thesis explicitly, express it in your own words.

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Mark as Unread WIA3LSchreiner Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/16/2012 11:30:19 AM

“The Miracle of Melancholia” by Eric G. Wilson

What is the selection’s thesis? Locate the sentence(s) in which Wilson states his main idea. If he doesn’t state his thesis explicitly, express it in your own words.

“A person can only become a fully formed human being, as opposed to a mere mind, through suffering and sorrow.” Sadness can become a motivator for greater happiness.  He supports this idea with the fact that more and more researchers are working on discovering medications to increase happiness and end depression. In a sense, the depression motivates the research to find happiness.

You cannot possibly know what happiness is without ever knowing sorrow.  In search of too much happiness can become an illness. You can become delusional in your sorrow.  Some things are meant to be sad.   Wilson makes this point by comparing the addiction to happiness with circumstances of poverty, ecological disaster, and war.

“But after much contemplation, he decided that sorrow was not a state to be avoided, not a weakness of the will or a disease requiring cure.”  Wilson is trying to say that it is healthy and beneficial for us to dwell in sadness sometimes.   He supports this point with the telling of events of a musician living in poverty.  Then suddenly climbs out with the notice of a symphony written by him.  Also supporting this idea is the telling of a painter that was so depressed she underwent hospitalization.  Afterward, she created her most creative works.

Just like someone with a disability has an opportunity to overcome an obstacle and obtain greatness, someone with great sorrow has the possibility to come from the ashes and achieve greatness.  This contrast makes the difference in mediocre and greatness. The point is to rise above the sorrow and you can become greater than you ever could before stooping into the sorrow.  Wilson does warn not to wallow in the sorrow until it takes over.

Reference

Nadell, Judith, Langan, John, Comodromos, and Eliza A. (). Longman Writer, The: Rhetoric, Reader, Research Guide, and Handbook for Education Management Corporation [8] (VitalSource Bookshelf), Retrieved from http://digitalbookshelf.southuniversity.edu/books/9780558950774/id/ch12bxlev1sec9

 

 

 

 

Mark as Unread RE: Week 1 A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/17/2012 1:08:14 AM
I think that the question that the Author ask is very clever. It makes me want to read further to find out  the answer to the question, however I do not think this is the thesis. According to this weeks lectures, a thesis is not a question. It is a statement that makes a vigorous statement to engage the reader to think about what is said.

Mark as Unread RE: WIA3LSchreiner Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/17/2012 6:15:48 PM
Thankyou Lori
I really enjoyed reading yours also. I like this class very much. 🙂

Mark as Unread RE: Week 1 Assignment 3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/17/2012 6:50:21 PM
Sadiqua,
Hi,
I was wondering if you are thinking that the thesis has to be in the first paragraph? This is usually the case with writers new to writing but not with most writers. The thesis can be later in the paper. Lots of writers use the first paragraph to lead the reader to want to read more. The last question on the first paragraph intrigues me to want to read the rest of the essay. The thesis will never be a question. Under week one”The writing process” under thesis, list five things to help locate the thesis. I realize there is a lot of reading material in this class ,and I am ashamed to admit that I do not read everything. This professor put together very great material that is about the best I have ever seen. I am very impressed with this on-line class.

Mark as Unread RE: W1: Assignment 3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/17/2012 7:01:44 PM
I like this Brenda 🙂
I thought about no pain no gain also when I read this.  One of my favorite songs is entitled No Pain No Gain, by Betty Wright. I like the lyrics–“Love is a flower that needs the sun and the rain, if you learn this secrete about how to forgive, a longer and better life you will live.”

Mark as Unread RE: Wk1 A 3 Discussion Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/17/2012 7:09:20 PM
Patricia,
You are an amazing person to rise up after so much loss.  You must have a whole football team of angels.  I am happy to be in this class with you.

Mark as Unread RE: Week 1 A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 3:28:20 AM
It also say the thesis will never be a quote of someone else’s words also.

Mark as Unread RE: W1: Assignment 3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 3:34:42 AM
Yes Quolonda,
I feel as though the sickness just puts a pause in your steps to sit back and evaluate the most important desires in your life.  Then you rise above and beyond toward those goals much faster than if the problem never arose.

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 4:04:08 AM
Yes Whitney I do believe that to know happiness you must know sorrow.  I have worked with children and have had my own experiences to know that emotions are meant to be expressed and not held back.  You start out as a baby and then when older can express these emotions in a way that can change the world with creativity.  In a mental health facility, you will find patients that can sing, dance, play instruments amazingly.  I can relate to the movie Girl Interupted so much because I have been to that same point where the revelations you find at the mental health facility almost want me to continue to live there.  With my own children I notice as small age, like 2 and three when they come to me crying over some very minor thing with real aligator tears, I just cup my hand under their eyeball and say,” here fill this up baby.”  The child immediately stops crying and laughs.  That is letting them know its ok to cry as much as you want until you then experience the happiness.  The quicker the cry is out the quicker the happiness comes.  As a child myself, I was never allowed to show emotions in front of my father.  Laughing or crying either one is not allowed. Even when watching a cartoon no laughing allowed. I never understood this one but would sit on Saturday mornings with my best friend 6 inches in front of the television with me and her pretending that the characters were people we knew.  Watching scooby doo like this, you can’t help but laugh uncontrolably.  My father gently that time quelled my laughter saying hush girls really loudly.  My father always watched cartoons on Saturday so seriously as if watching the news.  He would always tell us children stop crying before I give you something to cry about really mean. I would politely go hide in my closet and cry anyway.  I can relate to Martina McBride singing” Anyway” here are the lyrics: You can spend your whole life buildin’ Somethin’ from nothin’ One storm can come and blow it all away Build it anyway
You can chase a dream That seems so out of reach And you know it might not ever come your way Dream it anyway
[chorus:] God is great, but sometimes life ain’t good When I pray it doesn’t always turn out like I think it should But I do it anyway I do it anyway
This world’s gone crazy and it’s hard to believe That tomorrow will be better than today Believe it anyway You can love someone with all your heart For all the right reasons And in a moment they can choose to walk away love ’em anyway
[chorus]
You can pour your soul out singing A song you believe in That tomorrow they’ll forget you ever sang Sing it anyway Yeah, sing it anyway I sing, I dream, I love Anyway yeah

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 5:44:05 AM
One reason I love music so much and always like to play my clarinet is because I put my emotions into that clarinet while playing.  I could feel it when I played all the frustration, sadness, grief or even happiness bubbled up and out of the instrument. When I was older out of highschool, I could play that instrument without music in front of me.  I could play at church with the courses that are not in the song book.  I wrote down the notes for the children that were in band to play along with them also.
LOL I remember the days practicing learning it at home.  My parents allowed me to be annoying, and I loved it.  So I always loved to practice with squeaking reeds vibrating my own skin.  As long as I was loud with the clarinet in my room showing my emotions through the clarinet it was allowed.  I love music literally. Music has been with me my whole life kinda like a best friend. It is hard to explain.

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 10:31:34 AM
Gabriel Smith,
I think happiness stems from your desires.  This makes the difference sometimes between anger and downright physcopath.  I can’t wait to read the essay in next weeks assignment due to this will I think clue me in more on the psycopathic mind.  You can be angry out of love because of disappointment, selfishness or resentment. You can also be angry just because you desire to be angry.  The latter is the one that makes this emotion maladaptive.  What you desire you become.  I desire to be beautiful, therefore in my eyes anyway- I am beautiful.  The things I desire make me happy—music, family, babies, friends, lover, food, butterflies, rainbows… all my desires are not fluffy bunny types but also make me happy….alcohol, fattening food, cigarettes use to be my pacifier, etc…….. What I desire makes me happy.  Its important to choose desires carefully because some desires will end your life prematurely.

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/18/2012 10:59:35 AM
  A desire can also cause sadness also due to it is unobtainable. Unrequited love would be an example of this.  This would put you down into the gloom Wilson is talking about. Then what are you going to do? Lay down and die or rise above and use it for creativity?  Maybe write a poem, song, letter, cry till you can not cry anymore.  I have done that one before, and I do not think I was finished. The “Paxil” fortunately stopped the tears after 3 days of it.

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/19/2012 12:07:36 AM
I have found in my online classes it is the discussions that help me the most with learning. On line class is so cool also because of the one on one feedback from instructors to help you improve and develop creativity.  I want to gain as much as I can from them, for I realize they have spent a lifetime learning what I am just stepping into.
Proper english in business is very important. I have found that other countries read my blog more than this country.  Their choice of words are different than ours, so understanding each other clearly I must use proper vocabulary. Then they could go to the dictionary and understand what is said.  Not much could get accomplished with failure to communicate.  This is the polite thing to do.  I think it is considered impolite to talk slang or improper english without explaining what is meant.  It makes you seem unconcerned with what is being said.
I would like to learn other languages as well as my own.  I am confused with english so much; I do not know if I could learn another language.  I greatly admire them though. I have facebook friends that can write in 5 different languages.  Translator applications are helping with understanding more and more.  I find that my spanish speaking translator can not translate most spanish speaking patients.  I am finding that one spanish speaker has difficult time understanding the spanish speaker beside them.  As a nurse, the communication is very important.  .

Mark as Unread RE: DIAZ_W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/19/2012 12:17:00 AM
I am sorry to hear of your loss Janelle.   Sounds like I would of greatly liked to meet your dad.  You are his herritage so part of your dad will always live on through you. It is great to be in this class with you.

Mark as Unread RE: W1A3 Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/20/2012 3:35:24 AM
It is important to choose goals realistically to help keep you from depression.  I always pick a big goal that I am constantly working toward. Then pick small goals that will lead up to the big goal.  If the goals become difficult or something happens, re-evaluate and continue.  My mind stays happy now that I am working towards it with either I have or have not reached it. The frustration is removed and I am happy just being me.  You can choose these goals with not only the things you want to achieve but how you interact with others and things that make you feel other emotions.  Not only look at what makes you happy and work towards that. Look at what makes you sad and how to improve upon that also. Like example me being fat, ugly, bored, etc….makes me unhappy.  Now I look at the things in my life that lead to those things.  Eating poorly, not going to the salon, no money for activities or no one to talk too.  Now I make goals to improve these things.  I set a goal to eat salads and go to the gym twice a week.  I set a goal to get a manicure every two weeks and go to the salon at least once per month. I set a goal to work all my hours at work and maybe an hour overtime to be able to go out.

Mark as Unread RE: WIA3LSchreiner Lori Schreiner Email this Author 5/20/2012 9:41:39 AM
I am very blessed to have never experienced this much loss. I have experience the separation of the only bloodkin to me that I have ever met. Having an attachment so much and then separated without choice hurts really bad. It changes your life forever due to you can never go back to the point of before this happened. When a loss happens most go through stages of denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. According to Kubler Ross, these stages are different with each individual. You can go through the stages in a different order or so fast through some of the stages that you do not even notice it. You can go through a stage more than once and although you have reached acceptance the depression, anger, denial , or bargaining can come back again. I was completely changed for life over just my separation from my children. The thought of their life, ending I never want to think about ever. Thankyou very much for sharing because your losses alow me to see that worse is out there and if you can get through all that, I surely can get through all my little troubles. I believe to make a difference in the world you have to be able to see the world.

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